תלמוד על בבא בתרא 10:1

There, we have stated³⁹Mishnah Baba Batra 10:4. The statements of rabbis Abba and La (Ilai) are also quoted there in Halakhah 10:4.: “One writes a bill of divorce for a man even if his wife is not with him, and a receipt⁴⁰A receipt for the amount of the ketubah due her at her divorce. for a woman even if her husband is not with her, and the husband pays the fee⁴¹The scribe’s fee..” Rebbi Abba said, he⁴²The scribe. has to know both of them. Rebbi La⁴³He is R. Ilai. In the Babli, Baba Batra 167b, his statement is attributed to Rav. said, he has to know the husband for the bill of divorce and the wife for her receipt. Rebbi Abun bar Ḥiyya asked before Rebbi [ ⁴⁴Clearly, a name is missing. R. Abun bar Ḥiyya is known to have asked questions of R. Ilai (Yoma 3:5). ]: Think of it, if he brought another woman and divorced by means of her⁴⁵Can the agent of an absent husband not fraudulently give the bill of divorce to another woman, not the wife, and have that woman foreclose the ketubah from the husband’s local property?. He said to him, let the witnesses come and testify. But did not Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish say⁴⁶Cf. Ketubot 2:3, Note 56, Ševi‘it 10:5, Note 96 (Baba Batra 10:16, 14d 1.26); Babli 3a, Ketubot 18b. Signatories of documents cannot claim that they never signed unless they claim that the signatures are forgeries. that they considered witnesses who signed a document as if their testimony had been cross-examined in court? There, if they said, we did not sign at all. But here if they say, we signed this but not that⁴⁷The witnesses can identify the persons for whom they signed; this is not a second testimony.. The Mishnah disagrees with Rebbi Abba: “In earlier times, his name and her name and the names of his and her towns could change.” If he knows them, why would he change their names⁴⁸If the scribe knew all persons involved, he could not be tricked into writing a misleading document.? There are people who know others by sight but do not know their names. The Mishnah disagrees with Rebbi Ilai: “Rabban Gamliel the Elder instituted that one should write Mr. X and all his names, Mrs. Y and all her names⁴⁹The Mishnah treats husband and wife on an equal footing but R. Ilai does not., because of the public good.” The Mishnah about one who is forced to divorce⁵⁰One of those cases in which the wife can force a divorce (cf. Ketubot 7:10) when the husband’s cooperation cannot be taken for granted., Rebbi Ila speaks about one who divorces on his initiative; some want to say if he divorces at another place⁵¹Where he has to prove his and his wife’s identities to the scribe..

Rebbi Ḥaggai said that Rebbi Ze‘ira asked: Can one witness testifying orally and one by a document be taken together? Is a single witness on a written document worth anything⁸⁴Mishnah Baba batra 10:2: A document signed by a single witness is invalid.? Therefore, his question was, if there are two. They managed to confirm the first signature but not the second⁸⁵In the Babli, Baba batra 165a, this is a question, if one signature was confirmed from another document and one by oral testimony. It is resolved that the document is valid.. Rebbi Mana asked, is one witness on a written document enough to force anybody to swear⁸⁶Ex. 22:9 decrees that in all money matters in dispute, “if there is one who says, he is the one” who owes money, there should be an oath. This is interpreted to mean that the claimant can force the defendant to swear if he can support his claim by a single witness but does not have the two witnesses necessary to force the defendant to pay.? Is a single witness on a written document worth anything? Therefore, his question was, if there are two. They managed to confirm the first signature but not the second. ⁸⁷From here to the end of the Halakhah, the text is from Soṭah Chapter 1, Notes 46–71. The text here is from the hand of the corrector; the scribe of the ms. only notes גרש בהילכתא קדמיתא דסוטה כולה עד וכה כל סימן וסימן צריך שני עדים “One reads all this in the first Halakhah of Soṭah up to ‘and here, every single hair needs two witnesses’.” There are several differences in the sequence of sentences in addition to systematic differences in spelling; it is clear that the corrector copied from a different ms. which now is lost. Parallel to it: One does not accept testimony from witnesses unless they had seen together. Rebbi Joshua ben Qorḥa says, even if they saw one after the other⁸⁸R. Joshua ben Qorḥa will accept the written testimony of one witness (of two on a document) combined with the oral one of another; the Sages will reject it except in the three cases stated here. The same disagreement in the Babli 26b, Sanhedrin 30b.. Rebbi Jeremiah, Rebbi Samuel bar Rav Isaac, in the name of Rav: The Sages agree with Rebbi Joshua ben Qorḥa for witnesses about primogeniture and rights of possession.