Talmud Jerusalem
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Talmud for Ketubot 8:1

כתובתן מאתים דברי רבי מאיר וחכמים אומרים מוכת עץ כתובתה מנה:

כתובתן מאתים דברי רבי מאיר וחכמים אומרים מוכת עץ כתובתה מנה:

Jerusalem Talmud Ketubot

If he wrote for her and she wrote for him15She wrote him the same text he wrote her, that “she has nothing to do with his properties.”. Just as he did not lose his rights so she did not lose her rights16If she becomes a widow or divorcee, she is not prevented from claiming his real estate as payment for her ketubah.. If he wrote to her “from preliminary and definitive marriage”17“I shall have nothing to do with your properties, from preliminary and definitive marriage.” The question is, why did he mention preliminary marriage which gives him no rights of administration?, that is the disagreement between the Houses of Shammai and Hillel18In Mishnah 8:1.. In the opinion of the House of Shammai she shall sell19Since the House of Shammai give the wife the right to sell any inheritance she received while preliminarity married, the mention of the preliminary with the definitive marriage can only mean that the husband invites his wife to dispose of her property after definitive marriage as if it were only after preliminary marriage.; in the opinion of the House of Hillel she should not sell20Mishnaiot 8:1, 9:1 give only legal standing to the wife’s sales after the fact; they do not invite the wife to sell without her husband’s consent. For the House of Hillel, the husband mentions his disinterest in her properties after the preliminary marriage in order to give her the right to dispose of her properties without asking him, against the opinion of the House of Hillel. But this does not imply that after the definitive marriage he does not want to be asked, following Mishnah 9:1..
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Jerusalem Talmud Ketubot

If he wrote for her and she wrote for him15She wrote him the same text he wrote her, that “she has nothing to do with his properties.”. Just as he did not lose his rights so she did not lose her rights16If she becomes a widow or divorcee, she is not prevented from claiming his real estate as payment for her ketubah.. If he wrote to her “from preliminary and definitive marriage”17“I shall have nothing to do with your properties, from preliminary and definitive marriage.” The question is, why did he mention preliminary marriage which gives him no rights of administration?, that is the disagreement between the Houses of Shammai and Hillel18In Mishnah 8:1.. In the opinion of the House of Shammai she shall sell19Since the House of Shammai give the wife the right to sell any inheritance she received while preliminarity married, the mention of the preliminary with the definitive marriage can only mean that the husband invites his wife to dispose of her property after definitive marriage as if it were only after preliminary marriage.; in the opinion of the House of Hillel she should not sell20Mishnaiot 8:1, 9:1 give only legal standing to the wife’s sales after the fact; they do not invite the wife to sell without her husband’s consent. For the House of Hillel, the husband mentions his disinterest in her properties after the preliminary marriage in order to give her the right to dispose of her properties without asking him, against the opinion of the House of Hillel. But this does not imply that after the definitive marriage he does not want to be asked, following Mishnah 9:1..
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